Canon 5D mark ii & 7D
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Permalink Reply by Durand Robinson on -
The only thing I can think of at the moment is the inability to push the frame rate for fluid slow mo. Kind of depends what you're doing, but if you don't already have an hd video camera, a small company could do tons with it. There are drawbacks in that the menu hierarchy doesn't exactly favor quick changes in settings like a the Sony EX3 for example that's basically covered with buttons all over for modifying settings.
I'd love to get the use of one for a current project myself. Anybody have the experience already?
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Permalink Reply by Jared Isham on -
Regarding frame rate - the 7D has a 720/60p option so that is your only slow mo option
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Permalink Reply by Durand Robinson on
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Well, that's better than I expected. I've not seen the 7D yet. The other trade off is audio. It's not a big deal when you're a major crew, but often I'm having to do shots where I'm on my own. I tend to use the audio in's on the EX1's we have making it one less step to sync ext. sound sources. Plus there's the hassle of transferring files in extra steps, etc. A lot of guys here in Ireland are using the Zoom H4 for audio. It would certainly do the trick and be a good complement for a small audio kit to accompany your 7D. A Sennheiser wireless lapel, a Zoom and your 7D might be a great mobile unit for discrete camera work (plus your macbook pro back in the room of course.)
Gear... it's never ending.
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Permalink Reply by John Gaither on -
Yes, there are several trade-offs with the 5D. The Zoom comes up a lot. Some people are making do with after- market stuff that facilitates (enables?) recording sound on the camera, but I won't go there. The firmware upgrade to 24p and 25p is coming in January, according to Canon. Will it have 60p by next summer? Hmmm... I think you're both right, though...one has to be willing to go in with eyes wide open, prepared to buy into/work around the limitations of this camera. We're just starting out, so it will be okay, but at some point it becomes a second camera...unless Canon really goes for it and builds on the surging popularity of this DSLR...as far as telling visual story, I'm looking forward to working with the mark II.
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Permalink Reply by Durand Robinson on
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Thought you might enjoy this. Samm Hodges is a talented storyteller. Here's a little something he put together using a Canon Rebel SLR.
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Permalink Reply by Clyde Taber on -
Great piece of work by Samm. I'm thinking its time to move up from my D50 to something that shoots video.
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Permalink Reply by John Gaither on
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Since I posted first posted this in relative uncertainty, the 5D ii has continued to take independent filmmaking by storm, and very few doubts remain. Samm's short here is a classic example of cinematic storytelling capability falling affordably into all our hands. Sound limitations are still a drawback, but again, recording sound separately is typically how it's done in film. A bigger letdown is that the 35 mm sensor, together with the limitations of the camera's processor, ultimately scuttled the 60p option. However, super affordable now yields to "uber-affordable" with the Rebel T2i/550 D, which has all the frame rates at 1080p. All that to say, if you can shoot on the RED, go for it. Otherwise, the 5D is a true revolution in the making. Plus, SOMEONE is going to improve on Canon's "happy accident." It might be Panasonic, or perhaps Canon themselves, but I don't think there's any going back now in terms of affordable cinematic storytelling capability. -jg
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Permalink Reply by Clyde Taber on
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I'm a Nikon guy. Does this mean I should make the switch?
(after just switching to Mac from PC...this is getting expensive).
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Permalink Reply by David Nixon on -
Just shot a trailer for a movie we're doing with the 5D. Great pictures, but the monitoring is problematic, and of course the audio is non-existant. You have to shoot double system and record the audio separately. Kind of a hassle. Once they come out with a version that has real audio (not auto gain and XLR connectors) and HD-SDI output for real monitors, I think they'll have something.
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Permalink Reply by Keith Williams on -
I had not realized the capabilities of an advanced DSLR for video production until I was introduced to some outreach videos that Jusin Jackson of Central Christian Church has produced using the Canon 7D (http://www.worshiphousemedia.com/producers/124/Central-Christian-Ch...). In trying to learn a little more about the subject I came across this interesting comparison of the Mark 5 and the 7D (http://philipbloom.net/2009/10/01/5dmkii-or-the-7d/) which has some good info as well as professional level comparison footage from each model. The author of the review absolutely loves his Mark 5 but, in the end, favors the 7d for video work.
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Permalink Reply by JF Explorers Team Leader on -
We have the 5D ii and the T2i. Of the two, I prefer the T2i for most DSLR shots because it handles easier. The 5D ii has an image sensor that's twice as large so that easily translates into shorter depth of field and prettier pictures. However, the short DOF really requires an external monitor to do it correctly because trying to judge focus on the little monitors has proven to be fatal on many occasions.
All of that aside, Sony's new A55 (and A33) cameras with the translucent mirror technology allow for much faster and more precision focus. I think the next time I have to go on a trip and I can take only one camera, that will be the one for both stills and video. Auto focus on the Canon cameras is either non-existant or slow as the camera hunts for focus. The Sony A55 can also shoot 10 fps stills which in itself is pretty awesome. The sensor size isn't as large as the 5D ii so DOF is longer, but for the versatility I think it's a worthwhile trade off.
With all DSLRs to date, one thing to remember is that these sensors were not designed to run continuously and run into thermal breakdown issues. Using them for video tends to tear them apart. If you are shooting an event where you have to record continuously for more than 5 minutes, then go with a camcorder. DSLRs tend to only allow up to 5 minute recordings anyway. After that they just quit and you can't record continously when they hit their 5 minute or 1GB limit.
One note on Audio, we use external mic equipment and record audio on the camera via the audio input just fine and don't seem to have a problem with it. For more important shots or productions we will record audio externally or on multiple cameras.
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Permalink Reply by John Gaither on
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I've been away from VSN a while and just saw this. I tend to agree with you about the T2i. Some of our people just did an "I Am Second" project for the Campus Crusade student movement at Purdue (with the permission and blessing of the "I Am Second" organization) and shot with a T2i belonging to one of our staff. The original plan was to combine that footage with our Panasonic 100B, but the Panasonic footage was ultimately scrapped. It now appears we are going to put the Panny on ebay and purchase either a T2i or 7D of our own. I've been crowing about the HDSLR revoljution a few years now, but I guess seeing is believing. I'm also watching the HD new video cameras from Sony and Panasonic that take interchangeable lenses, and will also check out the A55. Thanks for stopping by. I'm here updating my page so feel free to look around.
JF Explorers Team Leader said:
We have the 5D ii and the T2i. Of the two, I prefer the T2i for most DSLR shots because it handles easier. The 5D ii has an image sensor that's twice as large so that easily translates into shorter depth of field and prettier pictures. However, the short DOF really requires an external monitor to do it correctly because trying to judge focus on the little monitors has proven to be fatal on many occasions.
All of that aside, Sony's new A55 (and A33) cameras with the translucent mirror technology allow for much faster and more precision focus. I think the next time I have to go on a trip and I can take only one camera, that will be the one for both stills and video. Auto focus on the Canon cameras is either non-existant or slow as the camera hunts for focus. The Sony A55 can also shoot 10 fps stills which in itself is pretty awesome. The sensor size isn't as large as the 5D ii so DOF is longer, but for the versatility I think it's a worthwhile trade off.
With all DSLRs to date, one thing to remember is that these sensors were not designed to run continuously and run into thermal breakdown issues. Using them for video tends to tear them apart. If you are shooting an event where you have to record continuously for more than 5 minutes, then go with a camcorder. DSLRs tend to only allow up to 5 minute recordings anyway. After that they just quit and you can't record continously when they hit their 5 minute or 1GB limit.
One note on Audio, we use external mic equipment and record audio on the camera via the audio input just fine and don't seem to have a problem with it. For more important shots or productions we will record audio externally or on multiple cameras.
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